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"AI Engineering",
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"AI Adoption",
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"summary": "Chip Huyen, an AI researcher, author, and two-time founder, discusses the realities of building successful AI products versus the hype. She covers fundamental AI concepts including pre-training, post-training, fine-tuning, RAG, and reinforcement learning with human feedback. Chip emphasizes that success comes from talking to users, building reliable platforms, preparing better data, and writing better prompts—not from chasing the latest AI news or technologies. She shares insights from working with enterprises on AI strategies, revealing that most companies struggle with measuring productivity gains and adoption. The conversation explores organizational restructuring needed for AI-first companies, the shift from base model improvements to post-training optimization, and emerging opportunities in multimodal AI.",
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"What Actually Improves AI Apps (vs. What People Think): Focus on user feedback, platform reliability, data quality, end-to-end workflow optimization, and better prompts instead of latest news, new frameworks, vector databases, or model comparisons",
"Pre-training vs. Post-training: Pre-training encodes statistical language information; post-training uses supervised fine-tuning, reinforcement learning, and human/AI feedback to shape model behavior for specific tasks",
"RAG (Retrieval-Augmented Generation): Providing models with relevant context to answer questions better, with emphasis on data preparation (chunking, metadata, hypothetical questions) over database choice",
"RLHF and Reward Models: Training models to produce better outputs by using human comparisons, AI feedback, or verifiable rewards to reinforce correct behavior",
"Test Time Compute: Allocating more compute resources to inference (generating multiple answers, extended reasoning) rather than training to improve performance without changing the base model",
"AI Adoption Framework: Success requires both use cases and talent; measuring productivity is critical; adoption varies by employee performance level and organizational structure",
"Finding Ideas Through Frustration: Identify problems by observing what frustrates you in daily work, then build solutions to address those friction points"
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"title": "The Gap Between AI Hype and Reality in Product Development",
"summary": "Discussion of why most companies trying AI products fail despite tools being widely available. The core insight is that companies focus on the wrong things—latest news, new frameworks, model comparisons—when success actually comes from user feedback, data quality, platform reliability, and better prompts.",
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"title": "Understanding Pre-training and Language Modeling",
"summary": "Chip explains how language models work by encoding statistical information about language patterns. Using the Sherlock Holmes example, she describes how models predict the next token based on probability distributions, similar to how humans use frequency analysis. The concept connects back to 1951 information theory papers.",
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"title": "Reinforcement Learning and RLHF Explained",
"summary": "Reinforcement learning trains models to produce better outputs by reinforcing good behavior. RLHF uses human feedback to compare responses since humans find comparisons easier than absolute scoring. Other approaches include AI feedback and verifiable rewards (like math problems with definitive correct answers). This is critical for domain-specific expertise.",
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"title": "Economics of Data Labeling and AI Training Supply Chain",
"summary": "Analysis of the imbalanced power dynamics in AI data supply chain: a few frontier labs need massive amounts of data from many startups. This creates unfavorable economics for data labeling companies with few customers and many competitors. The sustainability of this model is uncertain despite companies experiencing rapid growth.",
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"title": "Evaluation Systems and Their Role in AI Product Development",
"summary": "Evals guide product development and uncover performance gaps in specific user segments. Chip distinguishes between app-builder evals (is my chatbot good?) and model developer evals (what makes good code?). The number of evals depends on use case complexity and coverage needed, not a fixed number. Trade-offs exist: perfect evals require resources that could build new features.",
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"summary": "RAG provides models with relevant context to answer questions. The biggest performance improvements come from data preparation, not database choice. Effective strategies include optimal chunking, adding metadata and contextual information, using hypothetical questions, and reframing documentation as question-answer pairs for AI readability.",
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"summary": "Two categories of GenAI tools in companies: internal productivity (coding tools, Slack chatbots, internal knowledge RAG) and customer-facing (support chatbots, booking chatbots). Companies adopt customer-facing tools with clear, measurable outcomes more readily. Internal adoption requires AI literacy, talent, use cases, and good measurement practices.",
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"summary": "Productivity gains from AI are hard to measure. At the manager level, hiring one more person seems more valuable than AI tools. At executive level, AI tools seem better because they manage business metrics. The real question: does AI actually increase productivity, or do we just lack good measurement frameworks?",
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"title": "Cursor Coding Tool Study: Performance Gains by Engineer Level",
"summary": "A friend's company conducted a randomized trial with 30-40 engineers divided into three performance tiers. Half of each tier received Cursor access. Highest performers saw biggest productivity gains, followed by mid-tier, then lowest tier. However, other companies report opposite results with senior engineers resisting AI tools due to code quality concerns.",
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"title": "System Thinking and the Future of Engineering Roles",
"summary": "Successful engineers possess system thinking—understanding how components work together holistically, not locally. AI is good at specific tasks but struggles with system-level debugging and understanding root causes across components. Future engineering roles may split: senior engineers review and guide, junior engineers generate code with AI, raising questions about developing the next generation of senior engineers.",
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"title": "ML Engineers vs. AI Engineers and the Democratization of AI",
"summary": "ML engineers build models themselves; AI engineers use existing models to build products. GenAI services lower entry barriers, enabling more people to build AI applications without deep ML knowledge. This increases demand for AI applications and opens new possibilities, though knowing ML fundamentals still helps.",
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"title": "Organizational Changes in AI-First Companies",
"summary": "AI-first companies are blurring lines between functions (engineering, product, marketing, user research). Evals require cross-functional input on user needs and metrics, so teams must communicate more closely. Companies are restructuring to have senior engineers focus on code review and guidance while junior engineers and AI produce code. Some functions previously outsourced are being automated.",
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"title": "Future of Base Model Improvements and Scaling Laws",
"summary": "Chip predicts base model performance improvements will plateau as the internet data maxes out. Unlike GPT2→GPT3 jumps, GPT4→GPT5 improvements are less dramatic. Most future gains will come from post-training optimization and application-layer improvements, not raw model capability scaling.",
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"title": "Multimodal AI: Audio and Voice Challenges",
"summary": "Voice and audio are significantly harder problems than text. Voice chatbots require managing latency across multiple hops (voice-to-text, processing, text-to-voice), detecting natural interruptions, handling turn-taking, and potential regulatory disclosure requirements. Current solutions don't match human conversation quality.",
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"title": "Test Time Compute as Performance Optimization",
"summary": "Test time compute allocates more resources to inference rather than pre-training. Examples include generating multiple answers and selecting the best, extending reasoning tokens, or direct voice-to-voice models. This improves performance on fixed models without changing base capabilities—similar to humans thinking longer before answering.",
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"title": "The Idea Crisis: Why People Don't Know What to Build",
"summary": "Despite powerful tools enabling anyone to build anything, people are stuck on what to build. Chip attributes this to societal over-specialization—people focus narrowly instead of big-picture thinking. Solution: observe daily frustrations, identify what could be done differently, and build solutions addressing those pain points. This methodology works for hackathons and AI adoption.",
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"title": "Book Recommendations and System Thinking",
"summary": "Chip recommends 'The Selfish Gene' for understanding motivation and existence, and Lee Kuan Yew's 'From Third World to First' for system thinking applied to nation-building and policy. These books shaped her thinking on how to approach complex problems and see beyond immediate concerns.",
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"title": "Writing Fiction and Understanding Audience Emotions",
"summary": "Chip is writing a novel to develop skills predicting different audiences' reactions. Key lessons: manage emotional journey (vary intensity to avoid exhaustion), make characters likable through vulnerability, understand audience feelings about characters not just story content. Technical writing focuses on content; creative writing focuses on emotional connection.",
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"title": "Finding Chip and Contributing Ideas",
"summary": "Chip is active on LinkedIn and Twitter (though posts infrequently), starting a Substack on system thinking, and planning a YouTube channel on book reviews. She welcomes recommendations for books that changed people's thinking. Starting Substack soon.",
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"text": "Most companies fail with AI products not because tools are unavailable, but because they focus on the wrong metrics—they chase the latest news and frameworks instead of talking to users, building reliable platforms, preparing better data, and optimizing end-to-end workflows.",
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"text": "Ask yourself two questions before adopting new technology: (1) How much performance improvement could I get from optimal vs. non-optimal solutions? (2) How hard would it be to switch to another technology if this one fails? If either answer is 'not much' or 'very hard,' reconsider the adoption.",
"context": "Framework for technology adoption decisions",
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"text": "Language modeling is simply encoding statistical information about language patterns. A token is a unit between characters and words that balances vocabulary size and meaning—it's the sweet spot for predicting what comes next based on probability distributions.",
"context": "Explanation of how pre-training works conceptually",
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"text": "Sampling strategy is extremely important and vastly underrated. It determines whether the model always picks the most likely token (deterministic) or explores more creative options—this can boost performance significantly.",
"context": "Detail about inference-time decisions that affect model output quality",
"topic_id": "topic_2",
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"text": "Pre-trained models without post-training are often incoherent and unusable. Post-training is where most frontier lab effort goes now because it dramatically changes model behavior. Pre-training adds general capacity; post-training shapes it for specific uses.",
"context": "Why post-training is the real value lever for frontier labs",
"topic_id": "topic_3",
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"id": "I006",
"text": "Humans find it easier to compare two options than to assign absolute scores. This is why RLHF uses pairwise comparisons instead of asking humans to rate responses on a scale—comparison yields more consistent, reliable feedback.",
"context": "Psychological principle behind RLHF design",
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"id": "I007",
"text": "Domain-specific post-training is economically lopsided: a small number of frontier labs need massive amounts of training data, while many data labeling startups compete to supply it. This creates unfavorable pricing power for suppliers despite high growth rates.",
"context": "Economics insight about data labeling company sustainability",
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"text": "You don't need evals to be absolutely perfect to win—you just need to be good enough and consistent about it. The real question is return on investment: if evals would only improve performance from 80% to 82%, but two engineers could launch an entirely new feature instead, the new feature might be the better choice.",
"context": "Pragmatic approach to eval prioritization",
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"text": "Evals become critical when operating at scale where failures have catastrophic consequences or when a feature is your competitive advantage. For nice-to-have features that don't define your product, you can skip detailed evals if quality is 'good enough.'",
"context": "Guidance on when to prioritize evals",
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"text": "For RAG systems, data preparation is the biggest performance lever, not the database choice. How you chunk data, what metadata you add, whether you use hypothetical questions, and how you format documentation for AI consumption matter far more than which vector database you choose.",
"context": "Counterintuitive finding from working with companies on RAG",
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"text": "AI reads documentation differently than humans. Add explicit annotations for AI: explain what variables actually mean, clarify units and scales, provide context that humans have but AI lacks. Rewriting documentation as question-answer pairs for AI consumption yields big performance improvements.",
"context": "Practical data preparation technique for RAG",
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"id": "I012",
"text": "Companies more readily adopt AI tools when outcomes are clearly measurable (e.g., booking chatbot conversion rate vs. human agent). Internal productivity tools have fuzzy metrics, making adoption adoption harder even when potential is higher.",
"context": "Why customer-facing AI tools get adopted faster than internal tools",
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"text": "Successful AI adoption requires both strong use cases AND talent. Many companies invest in tools and training but miss one of these components, resulting in expensive subscriptions nobody uses.",
"context": "Two-factor model for AI adoption success",
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"text": "Managers prefer hiring one more person over expensive AI subscriptions for the team because they're still growing and need headcount. Executives prefer AI tools because they manage business metrics, not just team size. The question of whether AI increases productivity is different from the question of whether it helps my personal career.",
"context": "Insight about misaligned incentives in AI adoption decisions",
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"text": "In the randomized trial, highest-performing engineers got the biggest productivity boost from Cursor, not the lowest performers. High performers already know how to solve problems and can leverage AI tools effectively. Low performers either go on autopilot (risky) or don't care about work.",
"context": "Specific finding about Cursor adoption across performance tiers",
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"text": "Senior engineers are sometimes the most resistant to AI coding tools because they have high standards and find AI-generated code subpar compared to their own. This contradicts findings at other companies, suggesting resistance to AI tools varies based on engineering culture and personal standards.",
"context": "Conflicting data on senior engineer adoption of AI tools",
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"text": "System thinking—understanding how components work together holistically—is harder for AI than single tasks. AI struggles with multi-component debugging because it focuses on local fixes instead of identifying the root cause across different systems.",
"context": "Why AI coding tools have limitations in complex systems",
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"id": "I018",
"text": "CS education isn't about coding—it's about system thinking. Coding is just the tool to solve real problems. Problem-solving skill will never go away because as AI automates more, problems just get bigger. What matters is understanding root causes and designing step-by-step solutions.",
"context": "Education philosophy from Stanford CS department chair",
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"text": "Reorganizing engineering teams for AI: senior engineers focus on code review, setting engineering practices, and maintaining quality standards. Junior engineers and AI generate code. This raises the question: how do junior engineers become senior engineers if they're not doing the hardest work?",
"context": "Emerging organizational structure in AI-native companies",
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"text": "Evals are cross-functional problems, not isolated engineering problems. Building good evals requires understanding user behavior and needs (product + marketing), technical architecture (engineering), and business metrics (leadership)—this is driving teams to work closer together.",
"context": "Why AI products blur functional boundaries",
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"id": "I021",
"text": "Test time compute is different from base model capability. You can improve performance significantly by spending more compute at inference time (generating multiple answers, extended reasoning) without changing the model itself—similar to how humans perform better when they think longer.",
"context": "Emerging strategy to squeeze more value from fixed models",
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"text": "Many people face an idea crisis despite having powerful tools to build anything. The root cause: society has pushed hyper-specialization, and people have lost the habit of big-picture thinking needed to identify problems worth solving.",
"context": "Why AI hackathons sometimes fail to generate useful ideas",
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"text": "To overcome the idea crisis, observe your daily frustrations for a week. When something frustrates you, ask: 'Is there another way to do this?' and 'What could make this less frustrating?' This grounds idea generation in real problems instead of abstract possibilities.",
"context": "Tactical framework for finding ideas to build",
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"id": "I024",
"text": "The Selfish Gene changed how Chip thinks about existence and priorities. It reveals that much of human behavior is driven by genes' goal of procreation, and that immortality can come through either genes or ideas that persist. This creates a liberating perspective on what truly matters.",
"context": "Book recommendation about shifting perspective on priorities",
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"id": "I025",
"text": "When facing something hard, remember: in a billion years, none of this will matter and no one will remember. This isn't nihilism—it's liberating. It allows you to try things without fear of failure and to focus on what truly brings joy at the end of life, which isn't material.",
"context": "Life philosophy for dealing with hard decisions",
"topic_id": "topic_17",
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"id": "I026",
"text": "In creative writing, manage the emotional journey of your audience. Vary emotional intensity to avoid exhaustion. Make characters likable through vulnerability and relatable setbacks. Technical writing focuses on conveying information; creative writing focuses on making the audience feel something.",
"context": "Lessons from writing a novel about audience psychology",
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"id": "I027",
"text": "All content creation is fundamentally about predicting user reactions—what will they find engaging, what will they care about, how will they feel? This applies equally to podcasts, product narratives, and novels. Experienced technical writers predict engineer reactions; novel writers must predict different audiences' reactions.",
"context": "Universal principle underlying content creation",
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"id": "I028",
"text": "Voice assistants at home remain surprisingly bad because voice is a complex problem: latency across multiple hops, natural turn-taking detection, interruption handling, and regulatory disclosure all matter. This is why voice/audio AI is harder than text despite recent AI progress.",
"context": "Why multimodal voice AI hasn't achieved mainstream success",
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"id": "I029",
"text": "The frontier lab model is unsustainable long-term. Data labeling companies with few customers dependent on a handful of labs have weak negotiating power. Even if they grow fast, the economics are one-sided and dependent on labs' continued investment.",
"context": "Economic concern about data labeling startup viability",
"topic_id": "topic_5",
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"text": "Distillation—training smaller models to mimic larger ones—is very different from building good models yourself. Open-source community achievements through distillation are impressive, but they mask a gap: emulation doesn't equal understanding or original capability.",
"context": "Nuance about open-source model advancement through distillation",
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"explicit_text": "At Airbnb-like company, when Sherlock Holmes solves a case using frequency analysis of letters",
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"confidence": "medium",
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"lesson": "Demonstrates how statistical information (frequency of letters) can solve complex problems—foundational concept for understanding language model prediction",
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"explicit_text": "Netflix AI researcher role at Netflix",
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"explicit_text": "Corpus of coding assistant adoption at a 30-40 person engineering team using Cursor",
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"lesson": "Demonstrates that highest-performing engineers benefit most from AI coding tools, contradicting assumption that junior engineers would benefit most. Shows value of rigorous measurement.",
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"explicit_text": "Company structuring engineering with senior engineers in peer review and junior engineers producing code with AI",
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"junior-senior-split",
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"lesson": "Shows that smart companies are restructuring teams to leverage AI for code generation while having strong seniors ensure quality—but raises sustainability questions about developing future seniors",
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"explicit_text": "Chip's experience deploying an application with a new hosting service, asking AI to fix bugs multiple times",
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"lesson": "Illustrates that AI struggles with cross-component problems where the root cause is in a different system layer than where the symptom appears. Shows why system thinking can't be fully automated.",
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"explicit_text": "NVIDIA's NeMo platform where Chip Huyen was a core developer",
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"explicit_text": "Companies with massive AR but very small customer counts in data labeling space",
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"explicit_text": "Chip Huyen's novel writing project sold to publisher",
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"emotional-storytelling",
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"explicit_text": "Anthropic CEO discussed AI-driven reinforcement learning and exponential performance improvements during interview",
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"RLHF",
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"frontier-labs",
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"explicit_text": "Companies trying to build AI chatbots that sound human and might trick users into thinking they're talking to humans",
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"deception",
"natural-language",
"human-likeness",
"regulation",
"ethics"
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"explicit_text": "Mehran Sahami, Stanford CS Department chair, on importance of system thinking over coding",
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"Stanford",
"CS-education",
"system-thinking",
"curriculum",
"problem-solving",
"computer-science"
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"explicit_text": "Bret Taylor, co-founder of Sierra, CEO of Salesforce, created Google Maps",
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"Sierra",
"Salesforce",
"Google-Maps",
"system-thinking",
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"explicit_text": "Lenny's podcast featuring CEOs of data labeling companies like Mercor, Scale, Handshake, Micro",
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"Mercor",
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"data-labeling",
"AI-training-data",
"startup"
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"explicit_text": "Company using Yanxi Palace, a Chinese TV show, to understand storytelling and drama tropes",
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"Chinese-drama",
"storytelling",
"character-development",
"narrative-structure",
"research"
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"explicit_text": "Companies using internal RAG solutions with wrappers around models for Slack chatbots, booking chatbots, and customer support",
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"RAG",
"chatbot",
"Slack",
"booking",
"customer-support"
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"explicit_text": "Deep research application that takes a prompt about Lenny's podcast and generates comprehensive research, recommendations, and report",
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"information-gathering",
"search-queries",
"research-report",
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